10 comments on “Benefits of Church Discipline – Part Four

  1. Once again, very good thoughts. I appreciate your heart for truth in all things, but it is about time you barners quit being so jealous about the university and move on with life. you’ve got your five in a row, so relish in that a little while longer. just a liitle while though.

  2. Adam, Church Discipline is a much needed part of each congregation. Sometimes we are so wrapped up in our sin, that we don’t even recognize it. We don’t repent, because deep down, we even hide it from ourselves. Each Christian should spend time each day with God, so that He can reveal our sin to us. It is so easy to look at the sins in others, but so hard to recognize in ourselves. May God forgive us.
    In your life, you will be condemned so many times as you practive church discipline. God doesn’t say our lives will be easy, but He does say we must live for Him. You hit it on the nail when you reminded us that we are called to be Holy, set apart, and to imitate and look like our Savior. I have such a long way to go. I do want to walk with Him, look like Him, and share Him with the world. Pray for me that I want hide in my sin. I will pray for you my precious son. “Therefore let us approach the throne of grace with boldness, so that we may reive mercy and find grace to help us at the proper time.” Hebrews 4:16
    I love you, Mom

  3. So what happens, when the tables are turned?

    What happens when you feel as if you stand justified before God and damned before men? Then what?

    And how does one who has been decieved by their sin (as could be the case in the above questions) see the nature of their deception? Can we open our own eyes, or are we solely left to the mercy of the Spirit to convict us of our transgressions?

  4. You bring up some really good points, almost as good as what your mom says. We must acknoledge our sin and be open to other believers showing us our sin. This is why it is so important to be accountable and open with other men about struggles and sin. Not all men, but you should be part of a small group that shares openly and where everyone is willing to have their sins identified in a loving way. This is one of the things I got out of C.J. Mahaney’s True Humily that I just finished.

  5. Pssss, 4 days!!!! Just thought I’d remind you. Mr. Bishop, I’m going to need some digits to get a hold of you while we are out there, we’ve got dinner plans with a certain Dr. Duncan that you need to join us for.

  6. David – I know that it hurts you to hear the statements about the Crimson Tide. I’m sorry. I got that statement from “1001 Absolutely Great Analogies for Christian Preaching”.

    Mom – Thanks for the thoughts. I am so thankful we can share the joy of Jesus in dealing with sin. I’m glad that God has shown such grace to our family.

    Heretic – I think its a both/and. It is both our responsiblity to repent and the Holy Spirit’s ability to reveal. Obviously, the bible teaches that repentance is a gift that is “granted” to believers.

    Jonathan – C.J. Mahaney is particularly good at this sort of thing. But I think it should be said that accountability is not just for small groups, although I agree with your comments, but for the entire community of faith. Accountability also means very little if it’s just a bunch of guys getting together and talking about how hard it is not to do the same sin.

    Jonathan Henson – I’ll see you there. Shoot me an e-mail at abishop@dcr.net and I will give you my cell number. I’m looking forward to seeing you there. It will be fun.

  7. But which comes first? Repentance or conviction?

    Do we chose to repent, and then will conviction follow? Or will we be convicted, and as a result repent?

    And how would one who is deceived by his own sin repent, if the Spirit cannot convict him of his transgressions? Does this state a case for conviction following repentance?

    Whew? That was a lot of questions! You may feel free to respond, but I asked them more for the sake of asking then expecting a (personal)response.


  8. Heretic, I’m not sure if your still reading this or not. I’ve been too busy for blogging this past month.

    The bible says of the Spirit that He comes to “convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you see me no longer, concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.” (John 16:8-11)

    Conviction is a work of the Spirit, as is opening blind eyes. Our hearts are desperately wicked and always deceiving us. If it were not for the grace of God at work in the illuminating ministry of the Spirit, we would never acknowledge our sin. Also, conviction does not necessitate repentance. Repentance comes from a broken heart. Some hearts simply stiffen under conviction and refuse to change.

    I think the biblical account of Pharaoh and Moses is a pretty good picture of this conviction and repentance. Exodus 7 – 12:32 tells the story of God’s sovereign work in the heart of Pharaoh and Pharaoh’s stubbornness before God. I know it’s a long passage, but should be helpful.

  9. I was just asking, because I’ve been asked to repent for something to which I’ve felt no conviction. I was even told that if I would repent in faith, that conviction would follow? It just didn’t seem scriptural to me. Thanks for the response! 🙂

  10. I’m pretty sure that I’ve been asked to repent for something that I did not feel conviction over before. One of two reasons for this: either I 1.)was participating in something that was not really a sin and someone else thought it was, or 2.)was so callous or hardened to the sin that I did not feel conviction over it.

    Either way, I must always go to the Scripture. I said in another post here that God gives us the word of Christ and the body of Christ to keep us in check. Part of the beauty of the church is that we are all accountable to each other and that often time, God will use someone else to point out something in our lives that, for whatever reason, we do not see. This is a good thing.

    I don’t know what the person you talked to meant about feeling conviction if you repent in faith, but what it might mean is that if you were to seek God’s mind on your particular situation (i.e. the Scripture), you may find that it indeed is sin and then feel conviction for it.

    I will say that sometimes we should repent of somethings sometimes just because we know the bible condemns or forbids it and not necessarily because we feel conviction.

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